NC Rule 45(f) and the Out-of-State Witness

Rule of Civil Procedure 45 is where you will find the rules related to subpoenas in North Carolina.

In 2011, the NC General Assembly amended Rule 45.  One of the amendments that is very important relates to obtaining discovery from outside the state of NC and imposes a very new process on parties wishing to obtain discovery from individuals outside of North Carolina.

Out-of-state witnesses can be important in alimony, custody, and equitable distribution cases and anywhere that an affidavit of the witness will not be accepted.

 

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Raleigh divorce lawyer Scott Allen handles modification of equitable distribution, alimony, divorce, custody, child custody, and temporary custody hearings and has over seventeen years of experience.  

If you have questions or need assistance call him at (919) 863-4183 or email at sallen@allenspence.com.  

Infidelity Testing in North Carolina

I’m a divorce lawyer who clicks around Google quite a bit.  I came across some information that each month about 1600 Americans do a Google search for “infidelity testing.    So for November that number is now 1601; I had to see what all the searching was about.

When you search for “infidelity testing” you’ll mainly get links to sites that sell kits that are advertised as a way of detect semen in clothing.  They are marketing to the man who thinks his wife is cheating.  So you know where that is going and it is fascinating.

Let me start with quoting a testimonial from one of the high-ranking results for one of these test products:

XXXXXX is the real deal. I had some clothing tested at a certified DNA Lab that is ISO certified and have all the legal certifications a lab has to have. The same clothing I tested with XXXXXX, the Lab found to be positive for sperm and semen. They even sent me micro pics of the little devils. All this was after I had the items checked with XXXXXX. This product is the real deal, case closed!!!!!!”

Case closed!  No, not really.  A review of the product and its implications left me with some unanswered questions:

  • How could this benefit/hurt one of my divorce clients; and
  • How could I get the results of one of these tests into evidence (perhaps over the chuckles of the district court judge?)?

Let’s explore these issues.

First, how could this benefit a client?

On one level solid proof of infidelity adds some certainty to what might have been simple concerns or a hunch about marital infidelity. This certainty allows the wronged spouse to make decisions about either working on the marriage or divorcing with more information, and in rational decision-making, more information usually helps.

Proof of adultery still has a place in North Carolina divorce law.  This kind of sexual behavior could impact alimony and divorce from bed and board cases.  Without going into many of the details in this article, the classic methods of proving adultery in North Carolina cases is by (1) someone admitting the adultery, (2) someone saying they saw the adultery, or more usually, (3) by circumstantial evidence of opportunity and inclination.

How could it hurt a client?

Unfortunately, the results could be wrong.  That could lead to bad consequences for the marriage and for the client if it is wrongly assumed the results are correct.

Second, from the clients’ point of view, they all say they want to know if their spouse is cheating or not.  I have had strong men break down crying in my office after I told them what our PI reported that the client’s wife had been up to.  It’s devastating knowledge.

It’s probably also the case that if a person is at a point of swiping their wife’s underwear to send off for testing at some location far away has some marital layers of distrust and underlying marriage problems that put them in the pipeline for a divorce.

How Could I get These Results into Evidence?

It would not be easy. In fact, I don’t think a judge is going to let one of the home test kit results into evidence.

In cases I have handled the district court judges are certainly open to allowing competent scientific evidence in, but there are rules and there are limits.  The science has to be good and the procedures have to be good.

There is chain of custody of the evidence issues, and there is the issue of authenticating the results.

About the only way to get this kind of DNA evidence in would be to have sent the sample off to a lab and then I would need to have an expert from the lab in to court to talk about the chain of custody and scientific method and procedures.   The chance of a judge simply letting the report in is remote.

Also, if I wanted to object to any of this going in, there is a fundamental problem of exclusion.  That is, how do we prove the semen found on the tested article is not that of the husband?  Would that add another level of scientific testing and proof?

In conclusion, with enough financial resources and great care in how this is gone about, there would be a possibility of certain kinds of testing and test results be deemed competent evidence.  However, when all is said and done it might have been better for the client to hire a private investigator to follow the suspected spouse.

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Raleigh divorce attorney Scott Allen has over seventeen years of experience in family law, contested alimony, and divorce from bed and board cases in Wake County and many other counties across North Carolina.

If you have questions or need assistance call him at (919) 863-4183 or email at sallen@allenspence.com.  

 

Why Take a Deposition in a Family Law Case?

NC DepositionI am a strong proponent of taking depositions in contested family law cases in North Carolina.  They can help in many ways.

A deposition is type of discovery proceeding where a party or witness is required to answer questions before a court reporter while under an oath or affirmation to tell the truth. A deposition happens in one of the lawyer’s offices or at an agreed-on location. This kind of proceeding does not take place in the presence of a district court judge.

The frequency of depositions is different county-to-county.  For example, they are very frequent in Wake County divorce cases.  Lawyers in Wake County contested custody cases, equitable distribution, and alimony cases often take them.  In Orange County, North Carolina, deposition is in family law cases are less frequent.  Local practice has much to do with what and how discovery tools are implemented.

Why Take a Deposition?

There are several reasons to take a deposition in a contested divorce, alimony, postseparation support, equitable distribution, child custody or child support case.

  • Getting evidence;
  • Committing the witness to a certain version of events;
  • Educating opposing counsel on case weaknesses;
  • Educating a client on case weaknesses; and
  • Assisting settlement.

Getting Evidence:

It is important to ask questions and get answers in a particular way at the deposition.  I find that being friendly and conversational with the witness is usually the best approach.  It does no good to ask the hard questions at the beginning of the deposition because it will cause the witness to talk less, when the goal of the deposition is to have the witness talk more so everyone can understand  the facts and opinions as the witness sees them.

I want to use a deposition to get evidence because, as tools go for lawyers, the deposition is the least-filtered way to get the information.  For example, I sometimes send written questions (called interrogatories), but the party’s attorney has the ability to assist in the answering.  I usually don’t want the attorney’s answers; I want the party’s answers.

Getting the evidence means that I am better prepared for the trial.  We know what the witness is going to say and we can decide on what documents or  other witnesses we would need to call at the hearing if we want to dispute what the witness will say in court.

Committing the witness to a certain version of events:

Since the proceeding is recorded and a transcript produced, if the party or witness testifies differently at the hearing or trial than at the deposition I can, and often do, point that out.  That has the effect of reducing the credibility of the witness in the eyes of the court.

Education:

The depositions of parties is important because that is frequently the first time the opposing lawyer will get a sense of the party as a person and witness in court.  Sometime lawyers discover that the  other spouse is not quite the way our client has portrayed them.  I need to know if the  other party will make a good witness or bad witness.

Assisting Settlement:

The deposition can and does assist settlement of the case because of the forgoing factors.   Sometimes I have settled cases at lunch breaks of depositions.  It forces the lawyers and parties together and highlights the seriousness of the situation.

 

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Raleigh divorce lawyer Scott Allen has taken and defended hundreds of depositions in all kinds of family law cases.  

If you have questions or need assistance call him at (919) 863-4183 or email at sallen@allenspence.com.